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The goal of this electronics refit is to standardize the communication protocol onboard Mashnee to NMEA2000, improve reliability of instruments, integrate radar and AIS consistently, and support racing goals. To this end, we have decided that we should upgrade to a B&G system because it has more advanced sailing/racing features than other MFDs (multifunction displays) and it integrates with our current radar. We want to keep the MFD visible from the cockpit (using the existing swing-out box, ideally).  
 
The goal of this electronics refit is to standardize the communication protocol onboard Mashnee to NMEA2000, improve reliability of instruments, integrate radar and AIS consistently, and support racing goals. To this end, we have decided that we should upgrade to a B&G system because it has more advanced sailing/racing features than other MFDs (multifunction displays) and it integrates with our current radar. We want to keep the MFD visible from the cockpit (using the existing swing-out box, ideally).  
  
Specific tasks
 
* Measurement of MFD box
 
* Run NMEA 2k backbone from mast to the electronics
 
* Remove all other deprecated electronics wiring/equipment
 
* Connect vespermarine AIS to new NMEA 2k backbone
 
* Convert fluxgate compass seatalk NG to NMEA 2k. Confirm correct male/female end requirements
 
* Check on triducer dimensions and cabling -- can we use as is or do a 1:1 swap with another triducer of same dimensions (see more below)
 
* Is it possible to run a wired wind instrument? Seems some of the wireless options are not great (but also this isn't critical)
 
 
Major outstanding questions
 
* Are we all good with moving to a B&G system? If so, which MFD and what size can we fit
 
* Cockpit displays
 
**  H5000 Graphic Displays x2? If so, we should check with B&G but we also might need the processor for it
 
** iPad mount that could probably work that into the existing mounts on the bulkhead
 
  
  
 
Key components
 
Key components
* B&G MFD: key question: can we fit a 9" MFD in the box or do we need to stick with a 7". If the latter, we can only do the Zeus 3.  
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* B&G MFD: Make new box for 9" MFD (MFD dimensions 11.3" wide x 6.5 tall x 3.5" deep). Current MFD box (9 7/8" x 9 7/8" x 5")
**Zeus3 : ($1400) https://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|344|2028688|2028738&id=3748025
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** Zeus3s :  ($2800): https://pro.westmarine.com/bg-zeus%C2%B3-s-9-multifunction-display-with-us-c-map-charts-19995752.html  
 
** Zeus3s :  ($2800): https://pro.westmarine.com/bg-zeus%C2%B3-s-9-multifunction-display-with-us-c-map-charts-19995752.html  
* New speed, depth, temperature sensor triducer (?) need to see if the current one is NMEA 2k, if not: ($400) https://pro.westmarine.com/bg-dst-810-thru-hull-transducer-with-depth-speed-and-temperature-20268405.html
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* GPS, Triducer, and wind sensor (wired versions of b&g sail performance pack):  
* New wind sensor:
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** Speed, depth, temperature sensor triducer ($400): https://pro.westmarine.com/bg-dst-810-thru-hull-transducer-with-depth-speed-and-temperature-20268405.html
**($800). The one I've linked includes the required bluetooth to NMEA 2k interface. However, I've seen mixed reviews on the B&G one and I'd suggest we look at alternatives.  https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=4555736
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** GPS sensor ($300): https://www.westmarine.com/bg-zg100-gps-antenna-20535100.html
** Would an ultrasonic one work for us?e.g. Calypso ultrasonic portable solar wind meter w/ NCP BT2000 ($724) networks the bluetooth wind sensor (and another bluetooth sensor, if desired) into NMEA 2k. https://calypsoinstruments.com/shop/product/ultrasonic-portable-solar-wind-meter-2#attr=63 + $25 mast mount: https://calypsoinstruments.com/shop/product/cmi1015-mast-mount-178#attr= 
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** Wired wind sensor: ($549): https://pro.westmarine.com/bg-ws310-wind-pack-with-20-meter-cable-and-interface-19237262.html
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** Micro-c backbone kit ($60): https://www.westmarine.com/lowrance-micro-c-backbone-starter-kit-14273858.html
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** Any additional NMEA 2k cables (suggested is 1x2m and 1x5m)
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* B&G H5000 system as supplement to chartplotter
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** 1x Graphic Display ($1,199) Buy at link below. Build our own case and either hang on the companionway sliding hatch with clamps, hang at the foot of the companionway over the washboards, or hang from the cockpit locker.
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* H5000 Hercules processor:
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** Hercules ($3,999 includes H5000 Graphic Display) - integrates polars (https://www.bandg.com/bg/type/instruments/h5000base-packhercules/#prl_key_features)
  
  
Wireless display options: it is nice to be able to have additional displays in the cockpit dedicated to speed, wind, depth. The current displays have been flaky and are Raymarine.
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Specific tasks
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* Run NMEA 2k backbone from mast to the electronics
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* Remove all other deprecated electronics wiring/equipment
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* Connect vespermarine AIS to new NMEA 2k backbone
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* Convert fluxgate compass seatalk NG to NMEA 2k. Confirm correct male/female end requirements
  
*H5000 system -- good for racing
 
** 2x Graphic Display ($1,199 x2) https://www.bandg.com/bg/type/instruments/h5000graphic-display/
 
** x1 above and X1 Race display? ($989) https://www.bandg.com/bg/type/instruments/h5000race-display/
 
** Probably need an H5000 processor:
 
*** Hydra ($2,199): https://www.bandg.com/en-au/bg/type/instruments/h5000cpu-hydra/
 
*** Hercules ($3,599) - integrates polars (https://www.bandg.com/en-au/bg/type/instruments/h5000cpu-hercules/)
 
  
OR:
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Major outstanding questions
 
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* It may be worthwhile to see if by purchasing the Raymarine Micro-talk wireless gateway ($310) https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=3800935 we can make all the new instruments and these displays just work with a Seatalkng to NMEA 2000 converter. Then we can use the existing displays as is. Otherwise:
* iPad mount on existing wireless display mount
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** ($57): https://railblazausa.com/product/railblaza-screengrabba-tablet-holder/
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Latest revision as of 18:01, 24 January 2023

The goal of this electronics refit is to standardize the communication protocol onboard Mashnee to NMEA2000, improve reliability of instruments, integrate radar and AIS consistently, and support racing goals. To this end, we have decided that we should upgrade to a B&G system because it has more advanced sailing/racing features than other MFDs (multifunction displays) and it integrates with our current radar. We want to keep the MFD visible from the cockpit (using the existing swing-out box, ideally).


Key components


Specific tasks

  • Run NMEA 2k backbone from mast to the electronics
  • Remove all other deprecated electronics wiring/equipment
  • Connect vespermarine AIS to new NMEA 2k backbone
  • Convert fluxgate compass seatalk NG to NMEA 2k. Confirm correct male/female end requirements


Major outstanding questions

  • It may be worthwhile to see if by purchasing the Raymarine Micro-talk wireless gateway ($310) https://www.defender.com/product.jsp?id=3800935 we can make all the new instruments and these displays just work with a Seatalkng to NMEA 2000 converter. Then we can use the existing displays as is. Otherwise:


OTHER Option (but different system):