https://sailing.mit.edu/wiki/index.php?title=Engine_Start_CB-Oct2010-descript01&feed=atom&action=historyEngine Start CB-Oct2010-descript01 - Revision history2024-03-29T10:26:06ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.22.1https://sailing.mit.edu/wiki/index.php?title=Engine_Start_CB-Oct2010-descript01&diff=3889&oldid=prevThomS: ENGINE FAIL: descript01 1st cut2010-11-05T16:55:25Z<p>ENGINE FAIL: descript01 1st cut</p>
<table class='diff diff-contentalign-left'>
<col class='diff-marker' />
<col class='diff-content' />
<col class='diff-marker' />
<col class='diff-content' />
<tr style='vertical-align: top;'>
<td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td>
<td colspan='2' style="background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;">Revision as of 16:55, 5 November 2010</td>
</tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td>
<td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 1:</td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>We'<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">ll </del>be <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">back shortly </del>with <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Thom</del>'s <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">writeup</del></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Background:</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">* For a few weeks (approx. thru October 2010):</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">** Occasionally the engine would not turn over (crank) to start when the START button on the cockpit engine panel was depressed.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">** Resetting the 40-amp circuit breaker (CB) on the engine would enable the engine to turn over with the cockpit START button.  [see URL http://sailing.mit.edu/mediawiki/index.php/Engine_40_10_CBs_panel_access (top photo.)]</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">** With this ability to crank the engine, we realized that -- if the CB  was not set -- the pre-heat function won't have worked either.  Therefore, especially for starting when the engine is cold, we have to re-perform the pre-heat sequence, and then we expect the motor to turn over and start normally.  It did.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">** On some sail, the crew did a test with the STOP plunger UP (it wouldn't crank) and then with it DOWN (it cranked.)  After positing a safety switch in the plunger, which the skipper shouted down, we had to conclude that -- if there was any cause-and-effect at play -- movement of the plunger wire and its sheath might be mechanically moving some of the nearby wiring bundle from the control panel to the engine, causing a connection of either open-circuit in the push-buttons or short-circuit to trip the CB.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">** </ins>We <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">next observed that, while pre-heating, the voltage shown on the Nav Station digital voltmeter (DVM) is depressed enough to know that the CB is NOT tripped (perhaps 0.2 to 0.5 volts, approx 20-amp load.)  The voltage reading doesn</ins>'<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">t change if the CB is tripped and we push the PRE-HEAT button.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline"><br></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">* On the 30Oct sail (Kenn S's trip)</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">** Having an easy way to see from the cockpit when the CB is not tripped by pressing the PRE-HEAT button, we can see when to expect the engine to crank when we press the START button.  Note that we had fairly heavy wind and seas; in fact, we used the engine a couple times to e.g. double-reef the main.  Unfortunately we didn't keep track of how many times the CB was found to </ins>be <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">tripped.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">** NOTE: In the above item, the writer assumes the CB was tripping, i.e., breaking the current flow because of a short circuit somewhere.  However, we haven't really thought about the possibility of the CB itself being susceptible to vibration, temperature, etc. </ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">** Toward the end of our sail, the DVM reading for the "PRE-HEAT" test showed us that the CB was tripped.  However, this time, pushing its reset button DID NOT RECONNECT the power to the PRE-HEAT / START functions using the cockpit buttons.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">** We started the engine using the maintenance START button accessed from inside the cabin [see URL http://sailing.mit.edu/mediawiki/index.php/Engine_40_10_CBs_panel_access (bottom photo.)]  The engine started because is was warm enough from previous uses during our sail, so didn't need pre-heating, which is NOT available using the in-cabin button.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">** We were able to start the engine at will while returning to Inner Harbor to furl sails, etc,  Unfortunately, the writer doesn't remember whether we did the "pre-heat" check on CB closure, or what results we had if we did.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">    TODO: Remember (for above item) how many times we started it in the harbor.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">* The narrative continues </ins>with <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">[Dave Weisman log of 03Nov tests at the dock.]  </ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">* TODO: list briefly the "failure modes" that Dave</ins>'s <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">test report covers.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">file 'nmore-starting_problem_background ... .txt ThomS  version 04Nov10-21:25</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>ThomShttps://sailing.mit.edu/wiki/index.php?title=Engine_Start_CB-Oct2010-descript01&diff=3888&oldid=prevThomS: ENGINE START: problem descript2010-11-05T16:32:01Z<p>ENGINE START: problem descript</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>We'll be back shortly with Thom's writeup</div>ThomS